Behind Us Forever: Simpsorama


“Some Bart Simpson dolls!” – Fry
“Eat my shorts.” – Bart Simpson Doll
“Okay.   Mmm, shorts.” – Bender

Well, the Futurama crossover finally happened.  It had a few good jokes here and there, which is above average for Zombie Simpsons, but mostly it was a mess and suffered from the same kinds of crossover problems we all so recently suffered through with Family Guy: cramming in as many characters from Futurama as possible, whether or not putting them there is funny or necessary.  It’s a thing that happened, a little footnote to both shows that will never be confused with the cream of either canon.

– I love Hedonismbot, but that couch gag was way too long.  The tag “A Show Out of Ideas Teams Up With a Show Out of Episodes” is easily the best joke in the episode, though.

– We open with Skinner telling the students they have to put something in a time capsule.  Then Chalmers appears from nowhere to fire a spitwad at Skinner.  This is not a promising start.

– Chalmers just pulled a TV-VCR combo from out of nowhere.

– The time capsule ceremony was just interrupted by an instant rain storm for some reason.

– Bender just fell out of the sky during a thunderstorm.  Which lead to a full minute of Homer and Bart trying to find him in the basement.  They settled on hanging Bart upside down from a rope for some reason.  Then they pointlessly smacked him around for ten seconds.

– Now we’re at Moe’s.  Bender belched fire.

– The premise here is that Bender and Homer are friends.  It’s charming enough, though predictably dumb.

– Hey, how about some fan service?:

Lisa: You know, they look a little similar.
Bart: Yeah, like the guy who designed Bender just took a drawing of Dad and stuck an antenna on it.
Lisa: A little lazy, if you ask me.

– Lisa took Bender to see Frink.  Frink reboots Bender.  Now Bender’s supposed to kill Homer, who just showed up after not being there until now.

– Writing “Crossovers Are Hell” on the wall in the future was nice.  Even if it’s not funny for the reason they think it is.

– I guess it’s nice that these mutant rabbits are another nod to Groening, but color me unsurprised that they went with mass chaos for their crossover.

– More fourth wall jokes with Zoidberg.

– They had to get Fry and Leela (and the Professor) back in time somehow, I get that.  But it’s very out of character for Leela want to kill Homer.  Obviously she doesn’t actually do it, but it’s pretty weird nevertheless.

– Heh: “Okay, but remember, to me you’re incredibly stupid.”

– Hey, it’s Seymour!  The fan service is pointless and not that funny, but it’s easily the best part of this thing.

– Homer and Bender are asleep on the couch together for yet more fan service.

– Ugh, this scene where they’re trying to figure out who to kill really drags on.

– I get that crossover stories are weird, but having the plot keep popping out of Bender’s ass is still dumb.

– Case in point, now we’re flashing back to the beginning with the time capsule.  This isn’t that complicated, but we’re getting reminded of it just because.

– “In our time, Epcot Center is a work farm for the weak.”  That was funny.

– They drove to the time capsule and then Willie showed up for some reason.

– Bender’s ass just gave us our brief and pointless appearances from Amy and Scruffy.

– Everyone but Bender and Maggie just got sucked into the future for some reason.

– Oof, the animation on Homer strangling Bart here is really weird.  They drew Bart the same size as all the little creatures.



– It was weird for Leela to want to kill, but why on Earth would Marge think Homer can fix a generator in the future?

– And now Hedonismbot showed up again for some reason.

– I could cite a bunch of different examples, but if you want an idea of how much of a mess this episode is, just noodle this series of events:

Lisa: If there’s one thing I know how to do, it’s manipulate Barts.
Bart: You’re nuts.  I’ve got a will of iron.
Leela: [Turns on Hypnotoad]

It’s doesn’t make sense, but it did cram something from Futurama in.

– Back in Springfield, Bender just blew up a racehorse.

– More pointless fan service: Lisa playing a holophoner.

– Oh, and all the Barts just got rounded up.

– Heh: “Wow, it’s working!  I guess the instructions were in English.”

– Now Bender just shuts himself down for 1000 years.

– I suppose Kang and Kodos needed to meet Lrrr and Ndnd.

– There are some good sign gags in this credit/opening sequence at the end, including a Stonecutter headquarters, “Eat My Shorts” written in the alien language, and Freeze Frame Industries.

Anyway, the numbers are in and I was apparently being too optimistic last week when I predicted 7 million viewers.  Even with the football lead in, just 6.59 million people wished they’d done this episode fifteen years ago.  FOX has a late national game again next week, but after that it’s two weeks with no late football.  I’ll be curious to see whether or not they even bother to broadcast new episodes.

82 Responses to “Behind Us Forever: Simpsorama”

  1. 1 Joe H
    10 November 2014 at 1:56 pm

    I found the fanservice kinda unbearable for the most part. The “drawing of Homer” was waaaay too fourth wall for the show, virtually acknowledging that Homer and Bender were “created” even though it makes no sense within the story to assume whoever built Bender even knew of Homer. The Seymour bit was even worse both considering it was cloyingly nostalgic and makes absolutely no sense why Panucci’s Pizza is in Springfield.

    The only saving grace were a few of the throwaway lines (all uttered by Futurama characters), and of course the opening Futurama gag subtitle.

  2. 2 Anonymous
    10 November 2014 at 3:03 pm

    This episode really needed some extra time. They were able to make some funny jokes, but the story felt so rushed that it took away from everything. With an hour instead of 30 minutes, they could have spaced out some of the fan service and rounded out the plot.

    • 3 Stan
      10 November 2014 at 5:53 pm

      I think this episode needed a better script beforehand. It was Halloweenishly dumb enough to create a plot about “Bartesque” monsters in the future, but it was even dumber to get rid of them not the expected way (but digging out the time capsule to stop the mutation), but some farfetched future way involving a cube and outer space for some reason.

      I liked the opening slogan though not because it was funny (it was meh, imo), but because they have finally acknowledged that the motherfucking Simpsons ran out of ideas. If this isn’t any indicating that the show has to be put to sleep, I don’t know what is.

      • 4 Joe H
        10 November 2014 at 6:24 pm

        Better yet, going back in time another day and preventing the time capsule from being buried in the first place. It would certainly save the big clean-up afterward (and prevented the death of Scruffy).

        Also, the episode didn’t even try to flirt the notion that they could have messed up future events by killing Homer or interacting with all those Springfieldians. Annoying when both Futurama and classic Simpsons acknowledged this in the past.

        Then again, the Planet Express crew possessing a functioning time machine that’s apparently still there by the end of the episode opens a serious can of worms right there.

    • 5 Joshua
      10 November 2014 at 8:46 pm

      I agree it felt extremely rushed. Characters like Fry barely got a word in edgeways, though what can you expect when you’re trying to make sure every possible character gets a line.

      Though I doubt extra time would’ve helped, think back a few weeks ago to ‘The SImpsons Guy’.

  3. 10 November 2014 at 7:53 pm

    How’s this for a theory?

    The Simpsons was a good show when it stayed fresh by developing, adapting & updating its material with new ideas, all the while maintaining its signature surface qualities we all knew & loved. But towards the 21st century, they flipped this the other way around: the stories & jokes stagnated while it superficially evolved with the trends of the time, losing its timeless quality.

    I can’t say much about Futurama since I hadn’t watched it from the beginning.

    • 7 Angelm Young
      11 November 2014 at 1:27 pm

      That’s pretty much on point as to what happened to The Simpsons. Futurama was on and off the air too much for its quality to be affected, but I do agree to a point that the Comedy Central episodes are weaker than the FOX ones, though there are some good Comedy Central episodes, like Saturday Morning Fun Pit, The Tip of the Zoidberg, and Fry Am the Eggman.

    • 8 Sarah J
      11 November 2014 at 4:13 pm

      Ee-yup. Zombie Simpsons kept working with the times, but lost what made the show great. You could watch an episode of The Simpsons and still find it funny, even if you don’t understand many of the cultural references. Zombie Simpsons relies too heavily on references and modern issues, so the episodes begin to feel dated soon after they air. (in a lot of cases, episodes were dated BEFORE they aired) This is largely because the episodes got more story-focused rather than focusing on the interactions between characters.

      I’ve said before that Zombie Simpsons just takes stock story templates and sticks Simpson characters in whether or not it really makes sense for the setting or the characters. It’s like the writers go “Hey, (this thing) is a hot issue today! Lets put Simpson characters in it! WE’RE RELEVANT!”. Like, there’s this one episode on pick-up artists, where Moe starts using PUA techniques to pick up women, using Homer as a wingman. If The Simpsons did that story, it would involve the two failing miserably, maybe driving women away in absurd fashions. It would mock how stupid PUA techniques are. Then even after PUA stopped being a thing, the episode would still be funny. Zombie Simpsons, though, has Moe succeed in picking up chicks and Homer becoming very popular with the attractive young women in bars and clubs. It makes no sense for either the setting or the characters, and it applauds the things that The Simpsons would’ve made fun of. When PUA goes out of style, no one would be interested in the episode.

      Post-cancellation, Futurama did run into this “we’re still relevant, dammit!” syndrome a few times, but it was still funny overall and even produced some of the best episodes of the series.

      • 12 November 2014 at 12:05 am

        Right on. I believe Charlie’s already done a post about that Moe episode before. Funny thing is, I began to notice the striking dip in value of eps around the end of the ’90s-beginning of the ’00s, but the shock wore off shortly after because of ‘the King has no clothes’ effect; you start getting comfortably numb to it all & therefore accustomed to it, which is why it’s been around for this long, but I was only reminded of its shoddiness since around the dawn of the ’10s. It’s all very Darwinian what became of the show, making it a relic of the past that hasn’t evolved beyond the shallowest dimensions.

        • 10 Sarah J
          12 November 2014 at 1:06 am

          I continued to watch the show for a lot longer than I care to admit. At some point, I realized that the show was barely making me laugh. Tuning in felt like more of an obligation rather than something I was looking forward to. I still did it for a while, after all, it’s not always easy to give up a show that has given you so much, but I eventually stopped.

          • 12 November 2014 at 1:54 am

            You know things are bad when you feel ‘obligated’ (perfect word btw) to continue viewership of a show you once enjoyed. I’m still sorta in that phase now, but for years it felt wrong to complain about what I kept watching. It’s the same thing with SNL, though I’ve only recently stopped watching any ep that doesn’t have a good guest.

          • 12 Jack
            12 November 2014 at 9:17 am

            Same here. I used to be in denial big time. I kept watching with a “sure, most of the episodes suck, but as long as there’s a really good one every now and then, it’s worth it” mentality. I even bought into the idea that the post-HD era was some sort of resurgence in quality, espoused by IGN with their 7.9/10 review of Season 20 (and their 8.3/10 review of Season 21).

            But then, I watched Lisa Goes Gaga. I had been catching up with episodes online when I decided to skip ahead to that episode to see what all the fuss was about. My God, it all become so obvious. As I was watching it, all I could feel was how every second was bringing me closer to the blessed relief of death. I suddenly realised that I had been tricked into watching a series I no longer enjoyed even remotely, and didn’t watch any new episodes after that. Better late than never!

            • 13 Stan
              12 November 2014 at 9:46 am

              We’re all ‘survivors’ I guess (lol). I turned my TV off right in the middle of “E Pluribus Wiggum”. I just couldn’t bear it anymore, like, Ralph becoming a president? Really? Yeesh! And even before that, even before the Simpsons movie, I already felt kinda bored watching all this needless exposition and plummeted jokes episode after episode. As far back as 2006, I remember, I used to turn my TV on just before the Simpsons but only so that it runs along until Family Guy was on. Gawd I liked that show.

              What confused me most were those internet reviews of Seasons 17-18 saying “The Simpsons just got better”. I was thinking “the hell they did”, but people were convinced, I repeat, convinced that the show has gotten better since Jean was directing it! So yeah, deep inside, I too was kinda tearing between my personal feelings and what the reviews were saying.

              I stumbled across this website way after I stopped watching ZS though. Funny thing, I first thought that it was another blog praising the fucking shit (because you wouldn’t believe how many positive reviews there still were that time around). But then I realized that everything Charlie was writing was not only right damn true, but it was also free of that myopic convention about ZS still being good for some reason.

              That and the fact of him bashing on Synergy was really hilarious at the time =)

              • 14 F.S.
                13 November 2014 at 9:58 am

                I do find that many of the “good” zombie episodes are okay when you watch them, but they aren’t that memorable (except for a joke or two in some of them) and they usually don’t hold up that well when looking back to them.

                • 15 Sarah J
                  13 November 2014 at 6:24 pm

                  True. I do recall a few ZS episodes that aren’t THAT bad, at least by regular standards. (by Simpsons standards, these episodes are still pretty lousy) Like, there’s an episode where Marge plays an MMO and Lisa gets into soccer. It’s one of the “better” ZS episodes but there’s still not much special about it. I can’t recall many funny jokes, lines, or scenes. It’s only considered “good” because of low expectations. If these episodes were aired during the classic years, they’d be considered low points. And “good” ZS episodes are fewer and far between; it’s been a loooong time since I’ve seen The Simpsons get acknowledged for anything other than a couch gag or reference joke.

                  • 16 Jack
                    13 November 2014 at 6:35 pm

                    Weirdly, IGN only gave that episode a 4.5/10. The highest rated episode of the season was the 24 parody, which got a 9.6. I want to know the doctor that prescribed Robert Canning’s medicine.

              • 17 Sarah J
                13 November 2014 at 6:12 pm

                I’m trying to remember what ZS episode I stopped at, but I can’t. I actually have trouble remembering ZS episodes at all; they’re very forgettable. I know there was a period of time when I stopped caring about Zombie Simpsons, but I would still sometimes have it on if I was REALLY bored and had nothing else to do while waiting for American Dad. I think the episode where Marge hangs out with old friends again was one of the last ones I saw. I remember watching it and thinking that it was so terrible, but I was having trouble explaining WHY it was terrible. My arguments just came out as caveman speak like “Bart acting out of character! He no should be nervous!”. Since this site, I can actually articulate my damn arguments for once. (I do love reviews largely because sometimes you don’t know why you feel a certain way about something until someone else explains it, and a lot of entertainment sites are still totally sycophantic when it comes to ZS. You’d be hard-pressed to find a lot of sites that consistently give it bad reviews) Now instead of coming off as a pretentious snob who hates things just for the sake of it, I come off as a crazy person with an obsessive (but as least partially justified) hatred of the new episodes.

                • 18 Stan
                  13 November 2014 at 7:30 pm

                  Don’t get me wrong, but I think those who can’t distinguish “good” from “watchable” are generally all those behind the “good” reviews. I can say that the show has stopped being genuinely “good” as long ago as Season 12-13 (for me, at least, because for starters, I personally don’t think that Season 8 has any “bad” episodes in it whatsoever). But Season 19 is where the show stopped being “watchable” for me. Every episode thereafter, I watched with a certain disdain, as in “lesse what those idiots are going to show us tonight”. I know it’s sarcastic, like laughing of a turtle that fell on its back and can’t get up, but I blame those who tipped it, not myself.
                  However when I was mentioning them “good” reviews, I really meant “good”, like, in a “nothing wrong” way. I remember one guy on Rotten Tomatoes has written, case in point, how much he liked the show past Season 15. It was motherfucking praise from start to finish, with something like “The current Simpsons gets all the cultural shift we’ve lived today, with all of today’s values, although the older show did not respect ethnic/sexual/whatever minorities and made fun of them” along the lines. It was terrible to read for me because that person obviously had some sort of unpalpable open-mindedness that I lack. I mean, you don’t accept comedy for being liberal, you accept it for being funny and/or making sense by doing so. They pass a lot of Russian “cranberry” jokes I’m not truly fond of, for instance (because I’m accustomed to that society), but I don’t go as far as saying that since a show resolves to ethnic slurs, it’s suddenly not a good show. Hell, I don’t think Futurama is good, and it took a lot more than some stupid joke to seed that impression in me, and still I wouldn’t rate it on some website because I mostly just don’t care for something I don’t like.

                  • 19 Sarah J
                    13 November 2014 at 9:38 pm

                    Yeah, Zombie Simpsons is much bigger on political morals, but for me, that’s a big reason the show has failed, even if I do agree with a lot of the morals. Episodes are more about sending messages rather than being funny. Weird thing is, The Simpsons WAS able to get across messages, but they were much more subtle about it. They were willing to mock both sides, and it didn’t feel like you were being preached to. “Lisa the Beauty Queen” mocks certain aspects of child beauty pageants while not beating you over the head with “LOOK HOW STUPID THESE PAGEANTS ARE! HAHAHAHA”. In “Itchy & Scratchy & Marge”, it makes fun of moralistic pearl-clutchers but at the same time doesn’t portray things in a black and white manner. Both the pro and anti censorship groups have idiots. Marge was shown at having some good points but was later put at odds with her supporters when she expressed a different set of moral beliefs. (that the violent cartoons are bad but the nude David statue is beautiful art) She is discredited not because she changes her mind, not because she’s proven wrong, but under the point that, why should SHE get to decide what is okay for kids and what isn’t? It would’ve been really easy for the writers of a frequently-criticized (at the time) cartoon to make an episode where some mean old church types are trying to take the fun cartoons away from everyone, but they didn’t go that route.

                    (I’d also argue that ZS doesn’t really do a good job of representing minorities or whatever)

                    • 20 Stan
                      13 November 2014 at 10:39 pm

                      If any conclusion could be made from those reviews, is that today’s average Joes don’t get the subtlety. They want a show to chew it up and then regurgitate everything into their heads (which also explains loads of needless exposition). And it’s not just the Simpsons, it’s everywhere. Sad but true.
                      Agreed on the rest.

  4. 21 Joshua
    10 November 2014 at 9:08 pm

    Everyone has already said it but it bears repeating: If this mess is the last we see of Futurama I will be disappointed forever.

    Something both this and the FamilyGuy crossover have in common is we don’t get any of the characters besides Homer and his counterpoint (Bender or Peter) in any scenes besides an exchange of hellos.

    Imagine Leela being Lisa’s new role model; a strong willed 31st century space pilot who’s in charge of two boys. Maybe Marge feels insecure because her daughter sees Leela as more of a hero than her.

    And I’ve personally always wanted to see Bart and Fry together. They’re both immature, underachievers, except one’s a 25 year old delivery boy.

    And what, Fry is completely unphased being back in his own time again? I guess they had to get to what everyone wanted to see in a Futurama/Simpsons crossover: Nuclear mutant, rabbit, gremlin, Barts.

    And throw in a recycled plot about Bender going back in time to kill someone only to let his friendship with the target get in the way and powering down for 1000 to get back to his time.

    In 50 years, this “special” will be seen on par with the Flintstones meet the Jetsons.

    • 22 Stan
      10 November 2014 at 9:34 pm

      I’d have laughed were they to show Fry interact with Squeaky Voice Teen in some way or another.

      • 23 Joe H
        10 November 2014 at 10:02 pm

        Fry was definitely wasted in this special. I too was annoyed that Bender got the bulk of the screentime here given that Fry was more or less THE main character of the series. Fry otherwise just made side comments and otherwise faded into the background.

        This WAS The Flintstones Meet the Jetsons. I mean the Simpsons go to they year 3014 because….? And as usual are completely nonplused by it because ZS characters apparently aren’t allowed to convey relateable emotions anymore. To the credit of the Flintstones/Jetsons crossover had more of a coherent plot.

        • 24 Stan
          11 November 2014 at 1:49 am

          I bet it also wasn’t 22 minutes long.

        • 25 Jack
          11 November 2014 at 6:56 pm

          It’s ironic that you made the common mistake of thinking “nonplussed” means “indifferent”, because if the Simpsons were actually nonplussed about being in the future, that would have been a completely appropriate reaction.

    • 27 Frank
      11 November 2014 at 9:19 am

      I constantly talk about this, so sorry if this sounds repetitive – but @Joshua, you need to read the SImpsons-Futurama Crossover Crisis comic – it has a bit of what you want to see… plus even more pairings – Burns and Mom, Hermes and Smithers, plus a nice, double-page spread of all the characters together in New New York.

      Me personally, I’m tired of pairing up the equivalent characters. I would like to see unexpected pairings, like Fry and Maggie, Lisa and Zoidberg, the Professor and Burns, Homer and Hermes…

      • 28 Joshua
        11 November 2014 at 5:29 pm

        I’ll have to check that out, Mom and Burns together sounds great.

        That said, I agree that simply pairing equivalent characters is a problem that affects most crossovers. All it is does is highlight how similar types of characters there are in both shows.

    • 29 Sarah J
      11 November 2014 at 4:20 pm

      I would punch a baby animal in the face to watch a well-written version of what you’re suggesting. It’s like the writers were more caught up in the novelty of a Simpsons+Futurama crossover rather than what would actually be funny and what would actually make sense for the characters. I could totally picture Lisa looking up to Leela, and some exchanges between Fry and Bart would be hilarious. Maybe Homer could be looking at futuristic technology and be more impressed with frivalous technologies rather than the big ones like the spaceship that travels between galaxies. Speaking of Fry being back in his time, it would be an interesting situation where he is in a position of leadership and knowledge over his coworkers for once. I wonder if I could get people together to write a script, a good version…

  5. 10 November 2014 at 10:43 pm

    Mutant Barts reminds me of the THOH episode with multiple Homers in it.

  6. 31 Jack
    11 November 2014 at 8:54 am

    Wait a second, is the premise of this episode that The Simpsons and Futurama exist in the same universe, only 1000 years apart? Because if it is, that’s lazy as hell.

    It’s been established multiple times in both shows that The Simpsons and Futurama are considered fictions within each other. (The article quote is just one example.) Therefore, they can’t both be “real” in the same story. Besides, we know what the Futurama-verse looks like in the 20the/21st century, and the people sure ain’t yellow.

    Admittedly they didn’t care about skin colour mismatch in The Simpsons Guy either, but in A Star is Burns they did make Jay Sherman yellow. If they weren’t willing to do this for Simpsorama they probably should have thought of a more reality-bending reason to bring the two sets of characters together.

    Yeah, I know I should appreciate this with a more “Treehouse of Horror anything goes” mentality, but if Futurama Comics can do a crossover event that makes sense, then so can the TV show.

    • 11 November 2014 at 9:17 am

      Springfield is yellow due to SNPP being run by Homer and leaking radiation over a widespread area. Surrounding areas too.

      • 33 Stan
        11 November 2014 at 9:30 am

        No, they all have hepatitis.

      • 34 Jack
        11 November 2014 at 11:27 am

        I believe that’s what TV Tropes would call a “Voodoo Shark” explanation. It raises far more questions than it answers:

        1. Then why is every non-Springfieldian Caucasian on Earth also yellow?

        2. Then why were people in Springfield yellow before Homer joined SNPP, or before SNPP even existed?

        3. That still doesn’t explain The Simpsons being a fictional story in Futurama and vice versa.

        I don’t care if this idea was in the show or if it’s just a poorly thought out fan theory; it’s utter nonsense.

        • 35 Joe H
          11 November 2014 at 12:24 pm

          Also, people were yellow in the show before nuclear power was ever invented. Remember, Jebediah Springfield was yellow, and Mr Burns, Grampa, etc were yellow before he ever built the SNPP. Even God is yellow.

          It’s apparently Rob K’s pet theory, and a rather poor one at that.

          Face it, Caucasians (and to a lesser extent Asians) in the Simpsons world are yellow. Accept it, bro.

          Back to Jack’s statement, it’s right on the money. More annoying when Futurama usually takes these sorts of discrepancies into account even if the explanation is absolutely silly. The comics indeed handled the crossover better.

          I thought Matt Groening once suggested that the reason he didn’t use yellow characters in Futurama was to both establish it as a different universe and to prevent such a crossover from ever happening. 15 years later it’s not only happening, but actually part of the same timeline!

          • 36 Stan
            11 November 2014 at 2:52 pm

            15 years later nobody gave a flying fuck, that’s why.

            • 37 Joshua
              11 November 2014 at 5:35 pm

              When people start questioning the logic behind simple, stylistic, choices like yellow skin, it’s safe to say the show has run too long.

              The Simpsons style never distracted anyone in the past but the show has gone on ad-absurdum and now people are questioning the very basis of the show because there’s nothing else to talk about.

              Another example was a few years ago when they did a lame bit about the Simpsons kids haircuts. “Where does the scalp and and the hair begin? I’m gonna draw a dividing line.”

              • 38 Stan
                11 November 2014 at 5:56 pm

                Well, I agree that bringing two universes together is somewhat a delicate matter. Especially when both come from the same creator. But, like you say, if there’s enough plot to cover the questions the viewers might have (either jokingly, or by inventing something that makes sense for both universes), it might slip. The Flintstones meeting the Jetsons was, I believe, a full-feature film that ran for 90 minutes (or didn’t it?), even Family Guy crossover ran for 45 minutes. I was seriously expecting the same here, and in just 22 minutes, they have resolved to cameo (“crameo”) everyone from Futurama in. So yeah, what’s there left to discuss? Nothing.

                I just didn’t care for Futurama (or Lego), but I presume that for someone who does, it must really hurt.

            • 39 Joe H
              11 November 2014 at 6:52 pm

              Heh, very true though I think Futurama fans are more puzzled by it than Simpsons fans. By now it should be wholly expected that ZS really doesn’t give a shit and is pretty much trying to ape Family guy into being a full-on cartoon where almost anything can happen without the slightest shred of logic.

    • 40 Stan
      11 November 2014 at 9:34 am

      Pfff come on, you’re definitely asking too much of an episode they worked like for two-three weeks on. Homer meets Bender, that’s it. Nobody cares. Either you eat this or you go hungry. Besides, you’re fans, you’re, like, not supposed to criticize the Oh Great Simpsons! Matt didn’t give you that right.

    • 41 Frank
      11 November 2014 at 10:39 pm

      Years ago, Matt Groening joked that he made them yellow because he wanted to trick people into adjusting the color settings on their TVs.

      But again Wikipedia comes to the rescue – references an article from msnbc (june 7, 2008)

      Heintjes: Do you know why the decision to make the characters yellow was made?

      Silverman: She had a weird, wonderful sense of color design. A really interesting sense of color. I think she did that because Bart, Lisa and Maggie had no hairlines, and if you made them flesh-colored it would look very strange. It wouldn’t work. To Matt’s credit, he looked at it and said, “Marge is yellow with blue hair? That’s hilarious–let’s do it!”

  7. 11 November 2014 at 4:59 pm

    I don’t know if you Americans can access this link, but this is Australian reporting on the episode (from a terrible news site; the site is to actual news what TMZ is to “news”). http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/simpsons-futurama-crossover-episode-hints-at-dead-of-fan-favourite-ralph-wiggum/story-e6frfmq9-1227120039845

    Basically picks up that Ralph Wiggum has a headstone saying he died in 2017. Also says the ep was “a ratings winner” with 6m viewers (shows what they know) and Al Jean supposedly quoted as saying “Some have interpreted 2017 as the last year of the show, which is possible but I doubt it.”

    • 46 Jack
      11 November 2014 at 6:12 pm

      The key thing about this: they give Ralph’s birth year as 2006 (I could’ve sworn he was alive in the ’90s!) which puts his death at 3 years in the future of the “floating” timeline. So either they start aging the characters right now or this doesn’t happen. Killing Ralph Wiggum would be way too morbid for any version of The Simpsons, but regardless it’s obvious they just chose it as a random thing to put in the episode.

      2017 would be a good year to end the show, though, because it’s the 30th anniversary that year.

      Actually, scratch that, ANY year would be a good year to end the show.

  8. 47 F.S.
    11 November 2014 at 5:03 pm

    What is sad for the Simpsons (well, the zombie ones), is that most of the funny stuff was provided by the Futurama part of the crossover.

    They also could have thought up a funnier reason than just classic time travel (I guess they really wanted the time machine joke from the professor). Or try to be different from the Terminator style of eliminating the cause of the problem before it happens.

    • 48 Joshua
      11 November 2014 at 5:37 pm

      Remember when time-travel was considered impossible in Futurama and only extreme time-space events could make it happen. Now it’s as simple for them as flying to the moon.

      • 49 Stan
        12 November 2014 at 12:17 am

        The “how did Bender get here then?” line should’ve been answered with “random storyline generating device”.

        • 50 A.M.
          12 November 2014 at 2:11 am

          That joke was maddening – it sounded like, and worked as, a total Futurama gag.

          Then Lisa fucking explains it. It gives off the impression that perhaps the dumbing down is partially intentional.

  9. 51 Stan
    11 November 2014 at 5:17 pm

    By the way, when FG visited the Simpsons universe, and it was thus established that both of the coexist together (even though, aside the two James Woods joke, you’d have a plethora of repeating characters to either have normal or yellow skin), nobody ever complained. Now we see the same thing with Futurama, and somehow (probably because both shows were created by the same person), this became the issue.

    Lemme tell you something. It’s not that big of a fuss, really. The main problem of that god forsaken episodes lies in the absence of well-structured plot. FG crossover had it, albeit their own way, and for that same reason, their show worked. This is a case when two herbivores bump into a hunk of meat and don’t know what to do with it. Neither of them dares to take over. And it just carries on to the point where everything is resolved at 21 minute mark because it has to be. Shoddy scriptwriting, shallow interest in the idea.

    And the most frustrating part for me was when they were talking about “a freemium game”. Fuck you, seriously, I already get enough ads everywhere else about the stupid Tapped Out, to withstand an in-series direct product placement remark. In an episode which has NOTHING to do with computer games, really… that was one drop too many, excuse me.

    • 52 Joshua
      11 November 2014 at 5:44 pm

      Some of the gags like the freemium game references don’t make any sense. What about ‘The E-Book of Mormon’.
      I know the Book of Mormon is a thing, so what? In the future they’re doing a revival? But with E-books? Are E-books still considered futuristic in the year 3000?
      Shallow, nonsensical, references lacking any context within the story.

      • 53 Joe H
        11 November 2014 at 7:04 pm

        Well, with Family Guy it really didn’t have to make sense at all. It was Family Guy, a show that was already self-aware that it was a cartoon since day one with the Kool-aid man or even God casually showing up. Though with the Family Guy crossover, there was some attempt to at least provide some coherent flow to the action and character interaction.

        I’m only more disappointed in the Futurama one because Futurama lended itself to be more aware of various plot inconsistencies or scientific implausibilities–by which I mean acknowledged them and poked fun at them while coming up with a silly “futuristic” excuse for it.

        Wholly agree on that whole “freemium” bit. That was painful, especially since it had nothing to do with anything.

        On the e-book of Mormon, don’t they already have something like that on Kindle? Agree, just a lazy joke used because it sounded clever, not because it could remotely exist as something “new” a thousand years from now.

        I just have to remind myself this is really just another ZS episode. Being a poorly done waste of time is par for the course.

        • 54 Jack
          11 November 2014 at 7:39 pm

          To be fair, Futurama often has references which are just more “future-y” versions of current things, including stuff that is or will be irrelevant/outdated in less than a decade. Like ‘Nappster’ or ‘Build-a-Bot Workshop’.

          • 55 Joe H
            11 November 2014 at 9:13 pm

            True, true. The Napster thing in particular was a rather dated reference even when the episode first aired.

            • 56 Stan
              12 November 2014 at 12:15 am

              So, Futurama was also ridden with shoddy brand name parodies? I only remember the “Stop ‘N’ Drop” suicide booth, which I also saw like two months after one of my friends’ mom hung herself in a closet, so I didn’t find the suicide joke funny at all.

              • 57 Sarah J
                12 November 2014 at 1:11 am

                I wouldn’t say “ridden” with them. Really, there’s nothing wrong with a show having that stuff once in a while. It’s a problem with Zombie Simpsons because they do it all. The damn. Time.

                • 58 Stan
                  12 November 2014 at 2:20 am

                  I’ve read about that ‘Hedonismbot’ character, and… is the irony intended to be building a robot that only wants to pleasure itself? Like, I’m not getting it. I dunno, maybe I’m not Futurama material.

                  • 59 Jack
                    12 November 2014 at 9:17 am

                    I can confirm: you are NOT Futurama material.

                  • 61 Frank
                    12 November 2014 at 12:36 pm

                    Hedonismbot was probably written to be just another robot, but it’s Maurice LaMarche’s delivery that makes him one of the best secondary characters of the show.

                    • 62 Sarah J
                      13 November 2014 at 6:45 pm

                      Yeah, I never questioned the existence of Hedonismbot, because he was funny. I guess the idea can come as a secondary joke, but the voice actor’s delivery makes the character hilarious. But, Futurama seems to exist in a world where robots just have personalities and it’s not really questioned. The show is funny enough that the viewers will accept it. The Simpsons did some weird, crazy stuff at times, but if the material is quality, people are willing to let some stuff slide.

                    • 63 Stan
                      13 November 2014 at 10:58 pm

                      That’s one of my biggest problems with Futurama. Nothing is explained. There is a robot living in debauchery, then there’s another one living for no reason at all than to eat grape, to rub oneself with chocolate and to smile. There’s an asshole scientist, a crab-Zerg scientist, a one-eyed amazon and some Asian chick with a talking tamagochi. And a black dude, I think. And a Star Trek captain with no pants.
                      But if you take Family Guy for example, albeit through cutaways, but they do explain why Brian talks, why Stewie is evil, why Quagmire has a thing for sex. They don’t completely and utterly lose their grip on reality by saying “hey, it’s the 31st century, anything goes”.
                      Another thing I hate in Futurama feature films is how they’re built their plots. It starts with A and ends with Z. Like, there’s seldom any connection made throughout. One episode started with numbers appearing on someone’s ass cheek, and then there was a bunch of crap I can’t remember anymore and it ended with Fry from the past becoming another guy in the future who wants to… kill Fry… and fuck Leela… or not.
                      Anyway, it was just random. And reminded me a lot of the Animaniacs I used to watch as a kid (never liked that show either).

    • 12 November 2014 at 2:06 am

      South Park just had an episode about freemium. What frustrates me is the idea that people can’t just play without purchasing with real cash, checking for updates on their downtime/free time. What’s so hard about that? I hate to sound like a promoter, but if it’s that much of an issue, don’t play at all.

      • 65 Stan
        12 November 2014 at 2:19 am

        There are free games out there, FREE, not FREEMIUM. Nobody expects no one to pay for anything while playing them. And it’s not like the early 2000s, even many of today’s web browser games kick ass. So no, money-leeching fatsos, you’re not getting a dime out of me. I know the price of a good product when I see one, and am willing to pay for one. Paying for something that isn’t worth paying for even if they give it to you half for free is like downloading a computer software which only performs certain functions until you’ve paid for it… oh wait, there’s a word for that kinda thing already, it’s called a “demo” version.

        • 12 November 2014 at 6:21 am

          I got ‘Tapped Out’ for free, so no payment there, pal. :)

          • 67 Stan
            12 November 2014 at 7:03 am

            Yeah, but like in Charlie’s book, you’ll have to pay as soon as you want to have some ‘real’ fun in there.

            • 12 November 2014 at 7:12 am

              A lack of self control coupled with a limited income/stingy household while living in an advanced country and having too much free time on your hands does not a ‘real issue’ make from my neck of the woods.

              • 69 Reamed Rams
                12 November 2014 at 7:57 pm

                Why don’t you watch the fucking South Park episode then, instead of babbling on with your general autism about why you don’t “get it”.

                • 12 November 2014 at 8:30 pm

                  What do you mean? The whole reason I wrote this shit is because of the SP episode. What the hell is your goddamn problem?

                  • 71 Reamed Rams
                    13 November 2014 at 7:18 pm

                    “What frustrates me is the idea that people can’t just play without purchasing with real cash, checking for UPDATES on their downtime/free time. What’s so hard about that?”

                    The whole point of the episode was that the games are designed to reel in people with addictive personalities. It’s an ADDICTION for them.

                    You’re fucking saying the same thing as, “it’s so frustrating that people can have drug addictions. Just shoot heroin every once in a while. What’s so hard about that lol???”

                    And I know that sounds exaggerated, but YES! YOU’RE REALLY SAYING THAT! That’s my “goddamn problem” — your post was ridiculous.

                    • 14 November 2014 at 1:23 am

                      Hey, sorry if it sounds like I’m ignoring addiction. You think I don’t know what addiction is? It’s not like I’m making these points from ivory-tower sheltered ignorance, because I know how it feels to be addicted to things, even just getting stuck in a process of completing something. Sometimes addiction, and sometimes obsession as well, comes from a phenomenon I call ‘suppressive substitution’, in which the subject obsesses over or indulges in something just to counteract needs or strong desires they have that cannot otherwise be met, at least not without debilitating difficulty, unwanted side effects or fear of punishment/consequences. However, unlike cocaine, ‘freemium’ is neither a) illegal nor b) directly physically/mentally deterious. I’d say greed is an addiction as well, because the subject can never accumulate enough, and hoarding is related. It’s funny how selective we as a people are about addiction as well, because some people have addictions that cannot even be mentioned, though they may never harm anyone. The shit some of us will say or do just to maintain a sense of superiority over others, no matter what the cost to themselves or others.

                      Btw, do you believe in determinism? Because what’s the point of having ‘free will’ when we’re too incompetent to to handle it in the first place? I mean, what good is it when we don’t know how to use it properly to begin with?

      • 73 Joe H
        12 November 2014 at 5:59 am

        Usually playing “normally” is just deathly dull since the only real enjoyment is spending the dough on all of the goodies to customize your game. Also some items are really only possible to get through paying for game credits unless you devote every waking moment to the game.

        I’m sure Farmville wasn’t the first game to do this but it was pretty much one of the first really huge freemium games and the only one that I spent real time on. The South Park episode was spot on on these sorts of games.

        Those sorts of games generally target people who don’t play many games and set themselves up as harmless and quick time-wasters and gradually lure them into nickle and diming if they’re into it enough to do serious customizing. Sooner or later, some people will be enticed by the better “deals” of the more expensive options.

        With mobile games, there’s also the incentive to keep up with friends linked with the game and spend money to make it more fun to customize. This also makes it harder to simply quit the game.

        • 12 November 2014 at 6:30 am

          While playing ‘Tapped Out’, I never created a custom profile/account, so I’ve never had more than one neighbor (which may be just a bot anyways), plus I have a life outside apps so it doesn’t bother me how long it takes. I dunno, I have a hard time sympathizing with folks with such a shining example of first world problems, lol.

          • 75 Joe H
            12 November 2014 at 2:47 pm

            I don’t exactly sympathize either since I never played one of those games since 2008.

            It’s more to highlight how prevalent these sorts of bait & switch gimmicks and premium paywalls are in mobile games vs actually making good full games.

      • 23 November 2014 at 10:32 am

        Yep and IGN did a review of it too.

  10. 77 ecco6t9
    12 November 2014 at 2:01 pm

    Is that how Futurama ends?

    • 78 Angelm Young
      12 November 2014 at 2:47 pm

      I hope not. I heard Groening was either going to do another Futurama movie or continue the series on another channel. Though given how the series ended with Fry and Leela finally together and the professor making it so that way Fry can relive everything that happened, the show is over. I wouldn’t count this as an actual as an actual Futurama episode. Hell, it barely counts as a Simpsons episode.

      • 79 Joe H
        12 November 2014 at 2:52 pm

        Yes, it’s much more like those anthology episodes they did on Comedy Central (i.e. Naturama) which had no bearing on anything in the Futurama world. Kang and Kodos being in it virtually seals it.

  11. 81 Stan
    13 November 2014 at 7:36 pm

    I just realized they showed Bart’s naked butt pas censure.

  12. 14 November 2014 at 9:32 pm

    Jeez, look at all this chatter. Just stop watching it, like I did, finally.

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