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Oct
15

Quote of the Day

Simpson and Delilah15

“I don’t have a thousand bucks!  But you do, don’t you, Marge?  You do!  You do!  You’ve been squirreling it away, haven’t you?  Saving it for a rainy day?  That’s what you said, right?  Right?  Right!” – Homer Simpson
“Homer!” – Marge Simpson
“Dad is taking this in a less than heroic fashion.” – Lisa Simpson


21 Responses to “Quote of the Day”


  1. 1 Stan
    18 October 2015 at 4:32 pm

    It’s so pathetic to look at how Homer is lamenting yet the rest of the family do absolutely nothing. They didn’t even punish Bart thereafter. Talk about good plot resolution…

    • 2 RaikoLives
      18 October 2015 at 5:13 pm

      I think the point is, with Homer being the main character, his reaction and the effects of the loss of hair product are what are important to the story. Bart “not doing it again” has no consequence or importance because Homer can’t GET more hair stuff, so the potential punishment for Bart is inconsequential too. Having some arbitrary punishment for Bart would only slow the show down and take focus from the main story. Plus the family love Homer hair or no hair, so while they can see it as a problem, they’re not distraught like Homer is, and his embarrassing reaction leaves them so stunned that they can’t really respond in any way but with blank stares, as visible in the screengrab. It’s all about pacing. If they stopped to have an argument with Bart about his punishment, it wouldn’t have the brisk pace the show kept up, and it wouldn’t have been the great show we all love (hence us all eing here, of course).

      • 3 Stan
        18 October 2015 at 6:21 pm

        Well, I just feel like they brought in Bart not as Bart, but as some device to return to status quo because, you know, 22 minutes, we have to wrap up and all that. Being Season 2, the story was fresh and funny, mocking the importance of baldness for bald people as their unending concern. But then they decided that showing lamenting Homer was somewhat satirical, so they just got to it by Bart having one of his childish crazes and then him just standing there, thinking “Geez, don’t have a cow man!”
        And what pisses me off even more here is that of all the Simpson family, Marge knew how this hair stuff was important to Homer. And yet she’s still standing there, she didn’t even say “Bart!” or something. I dunno, it doesn’t really stick together with me. Of course though, this is a much better ending than not explaining shit and dancing, weird log songs or crashing a-plot and b-plot together because yes we can.

        • 4 Bleeding Gums Murphy
          19 October 2015 at 3:22 am

          Well, of course Bart is used as a tool to go back to the status quo, but the show didn’t use him at the very last minute, with no warnings. Smithers has already found out about the 1000$ security social bill, so Homer would have ran out of dimoxinil sooner or later, and Karl (the other reason why Homer’s career was being succesful) was fired when trying to protect Homer from Smithers.

          Homer was already in a very bad situation, but he still had some dimoxinil to use before choosing what’s his next course of action. Bart trying to use Dimoxinil and making the contents of the bottle be wasted was the coup de grace, the last thing Homer needed before giving a speech in front of every one at the SNPP, which is why this scene os so funny… But we already knew the episode couldn’t break The Simpsons’ status quo, and the episode was returning back to it since the end of the second act, while still focusing on Homer’s (mis)adventures. So even if Marge didn’t just stare there, what would have been the point of that? It would have slowed down the pacing for no reason and focused the story in someone other than Homer.

          Also, Marge having a blank face and actitude isn’t an un-Marge thing to do, at all. She does that a lot, when the situation is just too embarassing or she’s naive. Think about “Bart the Genius” (I know, I know, character personalities haven’t been settled yet, but still), she basically doesn’t care watching Bart running away from Homer after Lisa tolds her Bart is “stupid again”.

          • 5 Stan
            19 October 2015 at 5:08 am

            I guess I just didn’t like the idea of using Bart as a tool, even if the use was appropriate. That very scene is what grinds my gears. The rest of the episode is good.
            And just to specify, I think it’s the only Season 2 episode where the family acts as a whole instead of being a regular family, with parents parenting and kids being kids. Here, in this scene, everyone has the exact same reaction to Homer’s freakout. The only other time I could think of that had the same idea put in it was when they all went to Dr. Monroe’s family therapy (what was the name again?). At the end, they all stand there like “Fuck it, we’re a terrible family, but that’s okay”.

            • 6 Bleeding Gums Murphy
              19 October 2015 at 6:30 am

              But I still fail to see how exactly Lisa, Marge and Bart are acting as a whole rather than individual characters sharing a common reaction to a given situation, at least for this specific scene. They aren’t discussing together what to do, they aren’t judging Homer, they aren’t silently reaching a common ground, they’re just staring there in an embarrasing context for them where there’s nothing they can do.

              It’s like that scene in “Deep Space Homer” were Bart writes on Homer’s back and he starts rotating on the floor to see the message and the rest of the family is joking at first and then being silent and watching the awkward situation with worried faces. That’s a joke I fucking hate (for once, because it’s a case of Homer being ultra stupid, and Homer’s stupidity was more of the “a man who has a big supply of ivory is a man who doesn’t need more ivory” (or put in another way, a stupidity that still has some kid-type logic) type than the Petter Griffin-extreme type, which is even worse if you consider this is Season 5 after all and things were damn strong), but the members of the family acting in the same way isn’t one of the reasons I hate it. Like in this “Simpson and Delilah” scene, the family can’t really do anything about, except watch him for at least a few seconds before trying to calm him off-screen.

              I think that “There’s No Disgrace Like Home”‘s ending is much worse, for the reasons you have said, but then again I can understand from the direction the writers were coming from: it’s Season 1, all sitcoms were about happy, rich, well-educated families that loved each other, we still don’t know what do we have on our hands, so a family that is happy on its own mediocrity and dysfunctionalitywas a bigger thing back there. So I’m forgiving on the Season 1 plot resolutions. If this were, say, Season 3, that would be much, much worse, but by Season 3 characterizationand style were very well designed and strong, so that was a problem we never suffered.

              • 7 Stan
                19 October 2015 at 5:24 pm

                Well, that’s exactly the problem. Not only are completely silent and emotionless, but they’re just there, standing like some props while Homer goes nuts. That Season 5 moment you brought up is exactly the same in writing. In fact, come to think of it, there was another such with Burns and Smithers, and Homer doing weird floorwalk 360 thing while they’re just standing there staring at him. That’s the cold shoulder of the scene: are they speechless because that was unexpected? Or is what they’re thinking at that time not a bit important because Homer’s reaction is what really kills?
                The problem I have with this kinda WTF-y reaction of many later scenes is that, as you yourself mention, they’re intended to be jokes. Bart drawing on the back of Homer’s head doesn’t move the plot forward. Homer does him “whoop-whoop-whoop” isn’t a progress either. But here, when Homer doesn’t know what to do anymore as his hair medicine is ruined, and the bitterness of the moment just goes on with him rolling his head on the last remaining puddle, I don’t get the feeling of a joke. It’s rather comically sad, but still sad. And the other characters just standing there, then Marge goes “Homer!” it’s as if they were all against his hair growing. But that’s never established.
                Anyway, like I said it’s a personal opinion, and in my case many are unpopular. But maybe that reaction is common within a family, I’ve just never been the head of my own family yet.

  2. 9 Stampy
    19 October 2015 at 8:51 am

    Two thing to point out:

    1. To the people above who say that Bart wasn’t punished: Homer did make it known to Bart that “You’ve ruined your father, you’ve crippled your family, and BALDNESS IS HEREDITARY!” I have to say that hearing one’s parent say the first 2 items to you (as a child) would be incredibly chilling and punishment enough.

    2. I love how Homer’s front locks (cowlicks??) are mopping up the tonic spilled on the rug. It’s both sad and funny.

    • 10 Stan
      19 October 2015 at 5:10 pm

      That’s not punishment, that’s called “being a jerkass to your kid”. In the dysfunctional Simpsons style, it works out well. Except back then the Simpsons parents were still parents, and even Homer was capable of genuine parenting. His jerkassness didn’t kick in until like Season 8.

      • 11 Joe
        20 October 2015 at 3:48 pm

        Huh? I don’t remember Homer being Jerkassy in Season 8 at all. Granted it has been a while since I seen those episodes but the ones I remember he was still a lazy, selfish idiot but who also still deeply loved his family. For example, quitting his job at Cypress Creek which he loved because the rest of his family were miserable, getting married to Marge for a second time because he is afraid that they could end up like the van Houtens or him getting the mob to help Marge with her pretzel business. Even in the Frank Grimes episode it was mostly his laziness and stupidity that was played up. He actually wanted to be friends with the guy.

        It was not until the era of Mike Scully starting at season 9 where Jerkass Homer starts erupting onto the scene. And boy did he make an entrance. Within the span of one season, Homer is transformed into an unlikeable prick.

        • 12 Stan
          20 October 2015 at 4:44 pm

          Well, I do:
          – the episode where he goes into a feud with H. W. Bush
          – the episode where he has to go to college again and he acts like a total douche to the nerds
          – the episode where he teaches in class
          – the episode when he and Bart get stranded in an ocean and he still can’t stop showing out that he’s better than Flanders (and in fact, 95% of Flanders-related episodes featured the classes jerkass Homer being a dick to his neighbor).

          The only thing different is that every one of those times he had a reason to be an arrogant asshole. Past Season 8 and more often past Season 10 his attitude was misplaced and only seemed weird. But that “fuck me I’m famous” Homer was there for a much longer time than you can think of.

          • 13 Bleeding Gums Murphy
            20 October 2015 at 5:16 pm

            Homer is being asshole in those episodes because “fuck, I’m famous”. Quite the contrary, he tells private stories to his class because that makes everybody caring and listening to him for once in his entire life, and he tries to bully the nerds and the dean because he believes that’s how universities works and he wants to be socially accepted.

            Jerkass Homer doesn’t mean “Homer being an asshole” or “Homer hurting other people’s feelings”. Homer’s “just because I don’t care it doesn’t mean I don’t understand” in “Lisa’s Substitute” is godawful, but Homer isn’t understanding the true meanings of the words he’s telling to Lisa. Homer secretly wishing Flanders becomes ruined (and even exploiting the unlucky Flanders by buying at a very low price or not telling left-handed people about the Lefttorium) backfires when Homer truly realises Flanders *is* actually ruined (and there’s good reasoning behind Homer’s negative actitude towards Flanders). Almost, if not all examples of Homer being an asshole in Season 7 and prior is due to either Homer’s stupidity, Homer treating people the same way he has being treated by everyone except his current family, or Homer being depressed at his own failures and flaws and trying to fit in the world.

            Jerkass Homer, on the other hand, is an evil version of classic Homer that not only is confident of his own skills, but does everything, and can do everything, to succeed or to disrupt anybody else’s lifes, and nobody either can stop him or wants to stop him. Even the worst example you have mentioned (Homer and Flanders being trapped in the middle of the ocean) does not fit on this description.

            • 14 Bleeding Gums Murphy
              20 October 2015 at 5:17 pm

              *Homer isn’t being…

            • 15 Stan
              20 October 2015 at 5:37 pm

              Well yeah, technically you’re right. But in my view there’s him being the classic jerk to the others (for multiple various reasons), and then there’s that Peter-Griffinized version of Homer doing random shit out of the blue and willingly putting the others in danger, including his own family.
              You see, I don’t really buy into Homer being a douche to Flanders just because he’s overly jealous of his neighbor’s lifestyle. That trope has been used ever since he called the guy ‘Admiral Butthead’ in “Bart the Lover” (and then even worse, sometimes right in his face). Him dancing around the room in “Homer Goes to College”, shouting “I am so smart!” is another variation of this attitude, all pinpointing to the fact that Homer can’t manage to average himself among the others.
              But it’s not until Season 10 that he really starts treating random people like crap and gets away with it. I’m guessing around that time Family Guy had released their famous “everybody fights” episode which prompted up Peter to be a deliberate douche to all of his family (before it eventually switched to Meg), and I think this had an effect on The Simpsons writers at that time. Because when Homer clearly causes Maude’s death in Season 12, and again gets away with it, there’s just no denying that they went that way too.

              • 16 Bleeding Gums Murphy
                20 October 2015 at 9:15 pm

                I get what you’re saying, and I don’t think anybody is forgiving Homer’s behavior. There’s probably some room for malicious motives in Homer’s actitude that cannot be explained by a simple “society made him the way he is”.

                But I think the biggest differencebetween classic asshole Homer and Jerkass Homer (other than classic Homer being a caring parent and always stepping back when called for, or that, like you say, even at his worst moments,classic Homer is always stopped, and Jerkass Homer isn’t) is tone.

                Consider “Cape Feare”. Let’s ignore that it was the very last episode the original writting staff did, and that it’s wackier than any Season 1-3 episode. There’s this scene with Chieff Wiggum where they’re trying an absurd and horribly ineffectivesecurity scheme against Sideshow Bob (that’s some classic Wiggum thing: they can do very terrible stuff instead of real police work). Wiggum says that, legally speaking, you can beat up a person who has ilegally entered your house. What does the episode show us inmediately? Homer asking Flanders to enter the house. Or what about that moment in “Homer Loves Flanders” when Homer is very close to knock Flanders in his head for mere tickets for a football match? Those two scenes are pretty dark, that Homer can go as far as that. Or you can rememberthe joke Homer performs to Flanders in “The Springfield Connection” (making Flanders believe his house has been the scene of a crime), or how Homer basically destroys parts of the Flanders’ summer house in “Summer of 4 ft. 2”. Or how he didn’t mind letting Flanders (and his family) dying due to the impact of a comet.

                All of these scenes features Homer doing pretty terrible stuff against poor old Flanders, but the show treat in a very lighthhearted way. Most of the times, yeah, Homer is stopped, and even when he isn’t stopped, the damage he does is relatively minor. But the show never, ever, tries to give you the feeling that this is some serious shit happening here, where its development and resolutionare complex and unpredictable and “shocking”.

                That’s completely different from Homer building a new house for unlucky Flanders (one of these new first instances in the show that marks the beginningof the end, such as Burns being incompetent and lonely and remembering the names of the Simpsonsfamily or the “Lisa and Bart are the ones who always solves the crimes” crap in “The Day the Violence Died”), because while Homer didn’t destroy the previous house and his actions were honest and nice, his failure to build a proper house is mixed into a (badly written) story of repressedchildhoodemotions (and it has bigger, yet unsolved consequences than not being able to build dog houses). Of course, the “Maude dies” thing from Season 11 is just a piece of crap, no matter from what angle you look at, but back before we have things like the whole kidney affair. And things that once were quick jokes (probably too dark for your tastes, but still very quick) were extended into whole episodes, where you’re supposed to be in Homer’s side.

                That’s much worse that watching Homer treating Lisa like garbage in Season 2 because he doesn’t know what else he can do to be a better person and father.

                The reason why I don’t buy the “Homer wanted to be Grimes’ friend” is because, first, real Homer would have go to Moe’s, and second, because Homer wasn’t just rude or noisy, he basically treated Grimes in a absolutelyterrible way that can only be explained if Homer suddenly became so much stupid thay he couldn’t grasp that stealing dozens of pencils from your coworker is some big warning. But that’s of course Jerkass Homer for you.

                • 17 Bleeding Gums Murphy
                  20 October 2015 at 9:19 pm

                  crap, mobile keyboards and space issues…

                • 18 Stan
                  20 October 2015 at 10:04 pm

                  Ummm okay, if we’re to touch any common ground here, I don’t think that Homer has his “jerkass” moment in the Grimes episode. I just think the episode itself is garbage. Because it has much more characters than just Homer acting nothing like their true selves. Lenny and Carl are suddenly okay with him being so dumb (in many previous episodes, they were openly mocking him). Burns somehow being interested in an employee like Grimes (while his personal interest lays with “moronic drones” doing shitwork for a minimal wage and 0 benefits). In fact, Grimes himself reminds me much of Smithers from the second half of “Simpson and Delilah” in that episode. And to cherry the top, it has the worst ending possible.
                  But I see that notion (Jerkass Homer) as side-jokes and one-offs, rather than something which drives the plot forward. Up until the Jean era. And I generally agree with you on the fact that Season 8 was a turning point in the whole thing. But then again, it was the turning point of everything, many characters, many plots, jokes, settings, ideas. Before they started bashing on the characters’ personalities, they kind of experimented with everything.
                  Except that the Grimes episode is still terrible. And no, it’s not sad, it’s not bittersweet. It’s just garbage.

        • 19 Bleeding Gums Murphy
          20 October 2015 at 5:00 pm

          He wasn’t in full Jerkas mode, but he showed some proto-Jerkass behaviour:
          -The final segment of ToH VII is just Homer being in places he shouldn’t really be, at all (nothing like the family being transported to Rigol IV in ToH II, which had more sense)
          -He is cartoony invulnerable in “The Homer They Fall”, and he has that weird, sad joke of him hurting Marge’s arm and yet not caring about
          -In “Burns, Baby Burns”, se relocates a person he has just met on the family’s house, with no warnings, and hides important info to Marge. Then he just run away with this person
          -He finds the autodialer and make the whole town go crazy
          -He attempts to build an entire house for Flanders when he doesn’t even know how to build soap derby cars. Granted, that was a nice gesture from Homer, but still
          -He goes to a voice casting for Poochie, becomes unusually attached to a cartoon character, goes to executive meetings as if he could do anything and attempts to stop Poochie’s removal
          -He freaks out when it is revealed John is gay and becomes worried about Bart becoming gay. This is the same man who, a mere two years earlier, went to a lesbian bar and his only complain was that there was no fire exit. Unless this is some sort of subtle detail where Homer (and by extension other men) is okay at the idea of women having afective/romantic/sexual relations with other women but he can’t accept the idea of men being with men
          -He does some Homer-impossible, bullshit things to supply Moe with beer and has his own war against Rex Banner, while the family is mostly ok with all of this
          -He wins a kid’s contest, eats food that even no ultra-stupid Homer could mismatch from his own food, steals dozens of pencils, and nearly drinks acid

          Even if you don’t count all these cases as examples of Jerkassy behavior, there’s still the subtle fact that Season 8 is the first season where the “1/3 Homer-centric, 1/3 Bart-centric, 1/3 Both/Neither” plot ratio for any season was broken, and Homer is suddenly, if not the main character, and least having a much bigger role than Bart, of around half of Season 8.

          And everybody asking where’s Homer is associated to Jerkass Homer.

          • 20 Joe
            21 October 2015 at 4:05 am

            As I said, I have not watched a lot of these episodes in a long time and I can accept that there is definitely smatterings of proto-jerkass behaviour now when you list them out like that. I suppose I am less harsh on them because I overall enjoy the episodes themselves or big aspects of it (Citizen Kang is one of my favourite THOH segments ever and Rodney Dangerfield is a bit of a guilty pleasure for me). However, I could certainly buy Homer being OK with lesbians but men being with men making him uncomfortable. His bigotry was based on incredible ignorance and not frothing at the mouth hatred. Plus having someone like Abe as your father you probably would have bad ideas planted into your brain at a young age so I found his homophobia pretty grounded and believable. Also, can you imagine this episode if it was aired now? It would probably end with Homer embracing guest star Ricky Martin in a passionate kiss to show he is OK with gay or some cringey shit like that in a cynical attempt to boost ratings. But otherwise I agree with you that you can see the groundwork is being laid for Jerkass Homer during this time. He is not there yet but he is looking over the abyss.

  3. 21 Rob K.
    21 October 2015 at 12:03 am

    Well stated guys.


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