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Quote of the Day

“Is that what we do in this family? When someone becomes an inconvenience we just get rid of them?” – Lisa Simpson
“Hello? Is anybody there? Aww…” – Abe “Grampa” Simpson


26 Responses to “Quote of the Day”


  1. 1 Anonymous
    9 April 2018 at 9:49 am

    Well, at least it isn’t the crooked home they saw on 60 Minutes.

  2. 9 April 2018 at 4:11 pm

    So I know this blog is deader than Bleeding Gums Murphy. That said I would love your thoughts on The Simpsons finally addressing The Problem w/ Apu. I never expected The Simpsons to ever acknowledge the documentary and just continue to push Apu to the background like ZS has been doing for nearly 20 years.
    The response might as well been Lisa saying fuck you Indian Americans for feeling that a white guy portraying an Indian stereotype is wrong. Maybe we might do an episode about it but probably not because Al Jean says it is a non-issue. Personally I still enjoy the Apu heavy episodes from the good seasons but I acknowledge that it is problematic. Apu isn’t Fisher Stevens in literal “brownface” for the Short Circuit movies bad but I also can’t fault anyone who finds it offensive especially an actual Indian American.

    • 3 Bleeding Gums Murphy's not dead yet, Do The Bartman Crowe.
      9 April 2018 at 7:11 pm

      Personally I like this blog but I suspect Charlie has been avoiding being part of any political debate here, either because he doesn’t want to be harassed (I remember him saying once he got an email from someone calling him a pederast a mere week after they created DHS) or because he just doesn’t care or want to comment. I might be wrong, though.

      And I simply don’t know how can he (and others) defend Ralph jokes, for example. Case in point: a Ralph-related QotD a few days ago.

      I liked the documentary. It was fun and well made.

      • 4 Anonymous
        10 April 2018 at 9:39 am

        I think the site ate my other comment, but I’ll wait a little while before I try to repost it. In the meantime, what’s the issue with Ralph now? The last QotD with him even in it was just the Leprechaun talking, I don’t think Ralph was quoted at all. Is it that you think they’re making fun of mentally challenged kids or something? If so, then why would you get upset over the portrayal of Ralph and not a dimwit like Homer, who only seemed to get dumber as the show went on, even in the good seasons?

        • 10 April 2018 at 10:06 am

          Just a guess here so if I’m wrong here please correct me. Ralph went from the dumb weird kid who ate paste in class on classic Simpsons to a character on ZS that clearly has a mental disability of some kind. “Me fail English? That’s unpossible!” to possibly not potty trained is different than Homer seems dumber every season.

        • 6 Bleeding Gums Murphy
          10 April 2018 at 10:56 am

          You speak as if I like all jokes about Homer’s intelligence in the good seasons. I only find funny those who highlight the ableist violence in our societies. I specially hate the scene of Homer trying to see the back of his head in “Deep Space Homer”.

          Ralph jokes aren’t satirical, or I can’t think of a single Ralph joke where the punchline is “Ralph is abused by others, please fans don’t be like these abusers”. Hoover-Ralph scenes can’t be considered because in those scenes Ralph is described as a obstacle or annoying thing Hoover needs to deal with. Yes, she’s a bad teacher, but she never treats other students bad because they’re black or LGBT or stuff like that.

          Kondabolu said in his documentary most white fans’ first answer as the question of what makes Apu funny is “his accent”, rather than “he shows the hipocrisy of white americans and the inherent racism of the U. S”. Can you honestly say people find Ralph funny because “he suffers from others’ ableist violence”?

          If there’s one thing I think Kondabolu could have focused more is about how the authors’ intentions aren’t as important as people think, only the social impact matters. You can’t ignore white privilege and supremacism when you’re trying to make a non-white character, because no matter how liberal and “concerned” a white person is, Nazis will always welcome her/him with open arms in an alliance against non-whites. Just having “good intentions” is not enough if a Nazi can see your character as a racist, “faithful” representation of those people the Nazi hates. I have seen some white fans counter-arguing Apu was also described as a succesful, smart, handsome guy in the show and therefore there is no racism at all in the classic years. That counter-argument makes no sense when even Azaria and the writers have conflicting stories on the origin of Apu.

          I still like the classic seasons and no one can go back in time to change them. But Zombie Simpsons could change things, and the people who were heavily involved in the early years could say sorry and push for a more diverse, positive representation. But you saw Azaria’s reply to Kondabolu.

  3. 7 Anonymous
    10 April 2018 at 9:33 am

    Fisher Stevens in brownface was terrible, I agree, but I kind of wish people would stop trying to turn these movies into the next “Breakfast at Tiffany’s”. At least in the second movie they seemed to be trying to make up for their mistake by humanizing Ben a lot more, although I guess the ideal thing would have been to drop his character entirely.

    As for Apu, there’s something I can’t understand. Apu is a stereotype. But so is most of Springfield. Why do Indians hate Apu but Scottish people love Groundskeeper Willie? Willie has a drinking problem, he’s excessively belligerent, he’s a pervert, and he speaks with an exaggerated accent. Are all those things excused because Willie can sometimes be a badass who wrestles wild animals and such? Apu is a price-gouging convenience store clerk who has a shrine to Ganesha in his employee lounge and speaks with an exaggerated accent. But he’s also had a number of episodes that focus on him as more than just a cheap stereotype, something Willie never got, at least in the classic seasons, I don’t know what Zombie Simpsons has done.

    So I guess what I’m saying is, I can see why people would be upset over the stereotypical portrayal of Apu, but why is he singled out amongst all the others? Is it because he’s one of the few dark-skinned characters on the show, something else? Where and how do we draw the line on which stereotypes are okay and which ones aren’t?

    https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/simpsons/images/1/11/The_Stereotypes.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130409181610

    https://frinkiac.com/meme/S07E12/909275/m/VGhleSBiZWdnZWQgbWUgdG8gam9pbiAKdGhlaXIgdGVhbS4gQmVnZ2VkIG1lIQ==

    • 8 Bleeding Gums Murphy
      10 April 2018 at 11:02 am

      Scottish people aren’t killed, imprisoned, denied rights or silenced because they’re Scottish. It’s not a “stock character”/stereotype problem (if that were, people would complain about any Simpsons character), it’s a problem of a structural form of violence.

      No Indian would complain about Apu in a world where racism doesn’t exist.

      • 9 PK
        10 April 2018 at 1:07 pm

        I’m not sure what that has to do with The Simpsons. It’s not like Apu has anything to do with Indian people being killed, imprisoned, etc.

        Also, is it common in the United States for people to be denied rights for being Indian? Maybe you’re right and I’m just unaware of the issue but I’m not really sure what you’re referencing.

        • 10 Bleeding Gums Murphy
          10 April 2018 at 2:05 pm

          I forgot, The Simpsons lives in a perfect vacuum, completely isolated from the rest of the world.

          Indians may not suffer the extreme amount of racism people from Arab states get but if you think they’re as well treated as white people……………………. You can be a ZS writer.

          • 11 PK
            10 April 2018 at 9:20 pm

            I don’t think that Indians are treated as well as white people in America. I just think you’re exaggerating the amount of harm caused by Apu. I guess I’m just annoyed that now all of the sudden people are going after The Simpsons creators and actors and making them out to be super evil and “problematic” when they never even seemed to notice the issue before the documentary. It’s like everyone’s just jumping on a bandwagon because they were told that this is what good people hate now.

            I haven’t seen the documentary yet but as I understand it the guy who made it talks about a number of issues pertaining to Indian Americans (e.g. Indian actors always being asked to play exaggerated stereotypes). I think it’s good to have a broad discussion about roles Indian actors can take and about Indian characters in the media in general but I think too much emphasis is being placed on this one example. These are good issues to bring up (and I think there should be more opportunities out there for Indian actors) but I wish people were more balanced in the discussion and didn’t simplify it to “this one thing is evil and anyone who disagrees is evil.”

            • 12 Kettle
              11 April 2018 at 3:22 am

              Lol “all of a sudden” go watch the documentary idiot

              • 13 PK
                11 April 2018 at 2:51 pm

                If you and I were on the same side on the Apu issue would that grammar mistake have mattered to you?

                • 14 Kettle
                  11 April 2018 at 6:32 pm

                  I’m not commenting on a “grammar mistake”. I’m commenting at your notion that “all of a sudden” people are “going after The Simpsons” when “it never seemed to matter before”. Watch the documentary. Watch people explain what it was like to grow up South Asian in America with people using Apu as a way to mock them.

                  • 15 PK
                    11 April 2018 at 7:04 pm

                    Okay, I thought you were trying to point out that I said “all of the sudden” instead of “all of a sudden” or something. That makes more sense.

            • 16 Bleeding Gums Murphy
              11 April 2018 at 12:27 pm

              They clearly state in the documental most of the Indians intervewed had suffered racism as kids, with white bullies using “Apu” as a racist remark. You know, the whole problem is white americans were the only ones who could speak, today we have the Internet so things aren’t as bad. White supremacism has been for centuries, it’s not a recent problem raised by “SJW snowflakes”.

              And no one is saying The Simpsons people are much worse. Kondabolu uses Apu to make a broader statement while he also wants the once popular show to change. Any white fan (like myself) should speak of this topic to other white fans and support non-white fans in public (since DHS is a low traffic site I considered this exchange semi-private; I’m also not using an account or a social profile).

              It would be nice to hear from non-white readers of DHS if they have the time and energy.

              • 17 PK
                11 April 2018 at 3:27 pm

                I agree that it was wrong for those kids to use Apu to bully others. Ideally those kids should have teachers and parents that teach them to respect others and to not mock others who are different.

                For the record I would never use the phrase “SJW snowflakes” nor am I particularly right leaning. I voted for Clinton in the last election. I’m not even really against pointing out things that could be problematic. I just don’t like how it’s either 0 or 100 all the time. There’s no balance in these discussions; if something is even a little bit bad then it’s also the worst thing ever. Earlier you were equating the Apu thing to Indians being killed and denied justice and such. It just seemed a bit over the top to me.

                I would also like to hear from some non-white readers if any are following this.

    • 18 Kettle
      10 April 2018 at 11:12 am

      Hurf durf wha’ bout white stereotype I say for the first time now that a brown person criticised a character I like

      • 10 April 2018 at 3:14 pm

        Name a positive representation of an Indian character that isn’t a stereotype that appeared in television before Mindy Kaling on The Office and Aziz Ansari on MTV’s short lived sketch show Human Giant. Honestly it’s pretty hard to do but there has to be an example right?

        • 20 Kettle
          10 April 2018 at 4:50 pm

          I’m not sure if you meant to reply to me or not but I can’t think of one. There was a British-Asian sketch show called Goodness Gracious Me waaaay back. It traded on stereotypes for humour but it was written/acted by British Asians/British Indians and poking fun at your own community is not the same as white people poking fun at a minority community. (See also Chris Rock’s black people vs n*****s routine, which is wide open to being co-opted by white people and used to justify their own racism once it spreads beyond a black audience).

          I’ve seen variations on “where’s the problem with Willie/the problem with Cletus documentary then, oh there isn’t one because baww white people are the real oppressed ones and brown people get everything” about six times since this controversy blew up and it’s so disingenuous. A) Tumblr, YouTube and Facebook are free, get writing/vlogging if it bothers you. B) I bet people have already discussed those characters, but the ones hurfing and durfing about how nobody cares about Willie/Cletus haven’t even looked for critiques of them. C) If you only care about white stereotypes now that an Indian-American made a 49 minute documentary about how he doesn’t like Apu, then what you’re really mad about is that someone criticised something you like and now you feel like he’s calling you bad for liking it.

      • 22 Anonymous
        12 April 2018 at 9:54 am

        If you were replying to me, I wasn’t trying to say “BUT WHAT ABOUT WHITE PPL”, I brought up Willie because he was the one character I could think of where the people he represented had embraced him in spite of his stereotype, whereas Indian people have issues with Apu, despite him seeming to be a more humanized character and getting more focus at times. But if they have their reasons for disliking Apu, I’m not going to shoot them down either. But I doubt Al Jean & co are actually going to do anything about it.

    • 23 Anonymous
      12 April 2018 at 9:47 am

      Looks like my comment went through now, but I was also going to add that it’s no real surprise Zombie Simpsons didn’t address the issue properly. Everyone always complains that the show’s become “too liberal” lately, but I doubt Zombie Simpsons even cares about half the issues they talk about. They’re just looking for the most topical, hot-button issues of the day to weigh in on so they can try to appear relevant, but it’s all just shameless pandering. They say whatever they think their audience wants to hear. I doubt they care any more about the fans complaining about Apu than they do the rest of us complaining about what the show has become.

      I’m not sure how much more I want to discuss this, though, seeing as this comment section has already blown up.

      • 24 Kettle
        12 April 2018 at 11:12 am

        Going from Al Jean’s behavior on Twitter he’s delighted by all the publicity he got and doesn’t care that the cretins who think “cultural Marxism” is real are lauding him for “triggering the libs”.

  4. 11 April 2018 at 10:40 pm

    On the subject of the quote itself, my grandmother just recently got moved to a nursing home to be treated for dementia. So this quote has been running through my head a lot lately, though unfortunately, it doesn’t make me laugh anymore.


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